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A Conversation with Lacy Crawford

I recently ventured down to San Diego for a literary salon at the home of writer, editor and pie maker extraordinaire Amy Wallen. It was so invigorating to be back in community once again, in real life!

There, I had the opportunity to meet Lacy Crawford whose memoir Notes on a Silencing sent a shiver down readers' collective spine, causing a notable stir even as it was released during the pandemic. It was named Best Book of 2020 by Time, People, and NPR.

At 15-years-old, Lacy was the victim of sexual assault at a high-profile boarding school that covered it up, until the state of New Hampshire opened a formal investigation 30 years later. But as she describes in our interview below, this story is not so much about the assault as it is about an institutional silencing. She details with stunning articulation how imperative it is that we write to the urgency and relevance of the experiences that live in us, breaking through any of the perceived taboos, shame, or dismissive attitudes that may be holding us back.

Please read this important conversation.


Lacy Crawford is the author of fiction and nonfiction, including the satire Early Decision (Morrow 2013) and the memoir Notes on a Silencing (Little Brown 2020).

Lacy’s work has appeared in The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Narrative, LitHub, and Vanity Fair and her literary journalism includes interviews and profiles of Frank Conroy, Reynolds Price, Geoffrey Wolff, and Shirley Hazzard.

She lives in California with her husband and three children.

When Notes on a Silencing hit bookstores in the summer of 2020, it sent shockwaves through the country. Not only did this intimate investigative memoir usher in a media storm of coverage, but it also prompted the elite St. Paul's School to issue a formal apology to the author, Lacy Crawford, for its handling of her report of sexual assault by two fellow students nearly thirty years ago.

It was named a New York Times Editors’ Choice and Notable Book, as well as a Best Book of 2020 by Time, People, NPR, BookPage, Library Journal and LitHub.

“…brutal and brilliant… Crawford’s writing is astonishing… crafted with the precision of a thriller, with revelations that sent me reeling.” —The New York Times

 

KARIN GUTMAN: You started off, early on, writing a fictionalized version of your personal story. Tell us about that.

LACY CRAWFORD: Yes, I wrote a thinly veiled autobiographical novel about what had happened. I gave my whole self to it. There was an editor who believed in the book and believed in me who sent the manuscript to a very prominent literary agent who otherwise would never have taken an email from me. This was in 2001. She got the manuscript on a Friday, and I spent the weekend wondering if maybe everything was about to begin. She called me on Tuesday morning and said, “Yeah, there are some good characters, some lovely writing and nice sentences, but I didn't love it. And the truth is that date rape stories are a dime a dozen.”

I now know that the fact that this agent even read my pages and bothered to get back to me is extraordinary, and I might have taken a hard look at the manuscript and sent it to a bunch of other agents or maybe thought, I'm not quite there yet; I’ll do some other things, maybe write some stories. Maybe apply for an MFA. But instead, I collapsed. I could not handle that term “dime a dozen.”

First of all, what happened to me wasn't date rape. (I think there's no such thing as date rape. The minute you start getting raped, your date is over.) But I didn't quite understand how to manage the fact that because there's something that happens so often, to women especially, that we shouldn't bother writing about it. I think the things that happen often to women are things that we should write more about, all the time, because they're an expression of our reality and the experience of our society.

I was demoralized, and I quit writing.

KARIN: It really shut you down.

LACY: I was very brittle at that time. I should say, a little bit in my defense, that I had graduated from a college with a fantastic creative writing program, and some writers who are now household names were contemporaries of mine on campus and already publishing, producing this magnificent work, when we were teenagers and in our early twenties. I had the impression that if you're good—whatever that means—it's apparent, you arrive with all of the timpani, and everybody knows it right out of the gate. That there's a kind of magic that happens when somebody has the requisite talent. I had convinced myself of this.

The thing that I continue to learn over and over is that, while talent is clear and powerful, there are a great many truly extraordinary books that don't get published simply because they can't be marketed effectively, and there are plenty of not-so-exquisite books that do get sold, and publishing is not necessarily the pure meritocracy that I for so long believed it was. It just isn't. You get lucky or you don't, you have talent or you don’t, but you do your work.

KARIN: You eventually found your way back to writing and published your first book, Early Decision, which was a satire about the college admissions process. You were ahead of the curve with both books!

LACY: Thank you for saying that.

KARIN: How did you find your way back to what would become your memoir?

LACY: In 2017, the state of New Hampshire opened a formal investigation into my boarding school, which is how I turned my attention back to the experiences that I’d had in high school.

KARIN: Did the investigators approach you, or did you approach them?

LACY: I reached out to them. There had been so many stories of assault and abuse on the campus of St. Paul’s School, including the 2014 assault of Chessy Prout, a freshman, by Owen Labrie, a Harvard-bound senior. When the school threatened to reveal Chessy’s name in court filings, she chose to appear on the Today Show to talk about what had happened to her, at which point her case rose to national attention.

When the state of New Hampshire opened a formal investigation, they issued a call to anyone who had experience of the school having failed to report assaults or abuse on campus, as they were legally mandated to do, or having observed the school to in some way obstruct justice or cover up investigations. Completely privately, I sent the Attorney General’s office an email. I said I was assaulted at St. Paul's when I was 15, in October of 1990, and the school covered it up. They sent back a form email. And then an hour later, my phone rang. It was a detective, and he said, “We pulled your criminal case file off microfiche in the Concord Police Department, and we would like to talk to you.”

I had no intention of writing about this or talking about this or going public about it. I did not want my children to ever have to know this about me.

KARIN: What was the tipping point for you?

LACY: I was prompted when the state investigation was stymied, when my participation was shut down, which was a horrible development that I explain in the book.

As I told you, when I had tried to write this story in my 20s, I was told such stories are a dime a dozen, and I believed the sentiment behind that. I thought, That's right, nobody wants to hear these stories. But once I had documentary proof of how the school had covered up my assault, how they lied to police and to my family and to my physicians, I was on fire to tell what had happened in a way that wasn't about wanting to write a memoir. This wasn't a genre-specific urging, this was not a professional ambition. This was like an iron bar in my heart. I am going to say what happened, and whatever happens next, I can't control. But damn it, I am going to say this because I was a girl. And I'm a mom now. I don't have a daughter. But I have kids who are old enough now that I know what 15 is. And 15 is young. 15-year-olds are kids.

So, I sat down.

KARIN: It feels emotional to hear you say, “I was a girl.” It’s like you're coming to her defense.

LACY: That's right. I was separated from her, and I went back for her. Yes, I did. It is emotional for everyone who goes back to a moment—these moments that we write about that separate our lives into “the before” and “the after,” whatever that moment is. Often these moments are things that happen to a lot of people—a parent dies, for example, and you're shattered. I hear writers sometimes say, “Well, that happens to everyone.” That's why you have to write about it! That is exactly why. Or miscarriage. Or childbirth—even when it goes well, it's a catastrophe. In some way, something is shattered.

When I was drafting, #MeToo was sweeping the globe, so here's Weinstein and all these monsters are falling. And I thought, What I'm going to do is say, as simply as I can, everything that happened. Because I was there and I see it now—she wasn't wrong. I wasn't wrong. The first page of my book is the first page I wrote, and I wrote it almost to the word the way it is. This is what happened. That's all, no value judgment, no particular valence of suspense or ethos or character, just: this is what happened.

And then, how do you make a reader care? Because this happens all the time. Well, that's why a reader needs to care. Why does it happen all the time? Interesting. Now it starts to open up. It happens all the time because girls are held responsible for the agency of boys and men. We let them be presidents and surgeons and astronauts. But when it comes to assault, we're like, “Oh, what did she do? What was she wearing? Did she drink?” He can run the country but he can't control his own... you know. I'm being very blunt and also generalizing and I recognize that. All assault is not heteronormative and all victims are not female and all predators are not male. The complexity of that is everywhere in our communities, and particularly in this community that I was in.

I realized that in order to get this story into the world, I could sue the school, which I wasn't going to do, or I could talk to the media. I actually spoke with a couple of reporters who were ready to go, but then someone else would be telling my story, and I'm a writer. If there's one thing that hasn't gone away, it's that I write. That's what I do. So, option three was: I write the damn thing, come hell or high water. And that's what I did. I wrote it very quickly.

KARIN: How did you find a way to make the reader care?

LACY: I wrote it with the sense that it had to hold a reader to the page. You have to give them a reason to stick around. All the more, you have to make them care about the girl this is happening to. Now, that's an interesting problem if the girl it had happened to is you, and you have a kind of conflicted relationship to her. For me, I hated the girl that it happened to. I have been ashamed of what happened to me all my adult life. It ruined half of my teens. It ruined my 20s. I was in an emotionally abusive relationship with the same man for eight years in my 20s, basically as a way to try to run away from what had happened. In order to write this book effectively, I had to do it in a way that made her likable. So, oddly, I had to animate compassion for myself, but it was a craft problem, not a therapy problem. Does that make sense?

KARIN: Can you give an example?

I was assaulted at an elite boarding school whose tuition is now $70,000 a year or something. I was, in a sense, a rich kid. Not rich the way rich people are now—I grew up in a normal house and my dad went to work every day and my mom went to work once we were in school. But I grew up with plenty of privilege. I'm also white and I'm also straight. I have a lot of advantages that made it such that when bad things did happen to me, as they happen to everyone, I had the resources to survive. So how is it appropriate for me to ask for attention? Why should I speak up, right now when we are not hearing enough from Black, brown, Indigenous, non-binary, non-gender-conforming writers, from all of the people who have been victimized so much more than I was? Why should I claim any space at all right now? That was a real question I asked myself.

The answer that I came to, whether it's right or not, is because I actually have access to the intricacies of an institutional silencing. I have it on paper now, in records and memos. I can show how they do it, because this happens all the time—in schools and churches and the Air Force and USA Gymnastics and all of these institutions. We know that even in families, things are covered up. Abuse is buried. There's a lot of fancy footwork that goes on and lawyers assist with this and priests assist with this and teachers and parents sometimes, and I was able to demonstrate how that happened. What this meant was the book was not about an assault. The book was about an institutional silencing.

In order to tell that story, the reader has to know the institution. How do you introduce a boarding school to people who have never been there? How do you make it a place worth learning about? You have to show them what was seductive. And there was a lot that was seductive, not just Harry Potter-seductive, with the dining halls and the candles and the whole thing, but feeling chosen and feeling that the whole world is your oyster, which is a feeling that to some extent these schools sell. So, it was a constant balancing act between holding what would potentially create resistance or indifference to my story, and finding a way to tell it that opened it up as much as possible for people who hadn't had the experiences I had. I don't know that I would have been thinking about those things if I hadn't felt like I needed to tell this right now, because some people still at that school needed to be fired. That was the feeling of it. It was almost mechanical.

KARIN: You say you wrote it quickly. Did it just pour out of you?

LACY: It did. This is the fourth book I’d written by that point. I do think those years spent working on things that didn't go anywhere, I was teaching myself. I would have thought that was horseshit a while ago, but actually, that's true. For anyone who's a runner, these are your long-distance miles, and they're there when you need them on race day. That happened for me. I wrote it in four months. I didn't have all day, my youngest was in preschool, so I wrote only in the mornings, and then on weekends, which meant I never saw my husband—what it does to a marriage when you never see your husband because you're writing about your sexual assault is not awesome, but that's a different thing.

I wrote that first page, which is the assault. I wanted that out of the way because it's not actually very interesting. It's completely boring and it happens all the time. A dime a dozen, right? What's interesting is how communities permit this to happen. What's our culpability there, all of us? And then what happens next?

I realized that in order for anyone to care about the girl to whom it had happened, I would have to go back, of course, to explain who I was and how I ended up in that room. But the thing I hate in memoir is when you open with something exciting, and then chapter two is: But back in 1986 when I was 11, it didn't feel that way... and the air goes out of the balloon. I was fighting against that all the time. How do you get the backstory in there in such a way that you keep the narrative clock running? The way I addressed this problem was by bringing in what was happening during the drafting, in real time, as I participated in this state investigation that was going nowhere.

In the book, we effectively have three points of time: we have the assault and what happens from there. We have the state investigation, which is me now. And then we have the girl before the assault. All three of these story lines are running simultaneously.

KARIN: Did you have an outline?

I didn't outline it. I did go about four paces ahead of myself where I would scribble down what came next. I wasn't always right. But I did that because I was terrified that I would come to the edge of a cliff and then look down and not be sure where to go. I gave myself track at the end of every day, so that I wouldn't show up the next day and have to do anything other than keep going.

KARIN: Did you find it healing to write out this story?

LACY: I don't think the writing process was therapeutic. I do think the writing process was useful in that, for the first time, I told it exactly the way it felt true to me. Everything. I alienated a couple people along the way. I'm okay with that. It is what it is. I told it as truthfully as I could, with the evidence I have. And that's not something I had ever been given to do. Everyone around me had said, “No, you're wrong, it wasn't like that.” Or, “If it was like that, it was your own fault.” Or, you know, “These things happen all the time. Nobody cares.” Or any of a number of ways to dismiss the fact that I was the victim of a crime and the school covered it up. Full stop. That's what happened. If I had been carjacked on campus and the school covered it up, we'd be like, “What? What's going on up there?” But a girl is sexually assaulted and a school covers it up, and everyone's like, “Oh, it's complicated.” No, it's not complicated. It's really simple. That clarity was really helpful.

KARIN: Did you feel a kind of closure?

LACY: Closure is not my friend. There is a throwing off of shame, which is good. But there's this interesting thing that happens where people say, in a loving way, “You're so brave to tell this story.” It bothers me a little bit, and it bothers me that it bothers me. That's an ungenerous response to a generous comment. The reason it bothers me, I think, is because I don't know why it should be brave to describe having been the victim of a crime, multiple crimes in my case—not just the aggravated felonious sexual assaults, but also the obstruction of justice and witness tampering and also medical malpractice on the part of my boarding school. Why should it be brave to talk about those things? My college roommate got mugged at gunpoint. She told everyone who would listen. There's no shame in that. There's horror. There's trauma. There's fear. But no one says, “God, you're so brave to tell us that happened.”

KARIN: Why do you think people imagine it as brave?

LACY: Because we recognize the taboos about talking about sex and sexual assault and shame. Sexual assault has nothing to do with sex and nothing to do with desire. Certainly not on the part of the victim. It is a crime. What I keep bumping up against is this expectation that I'm not supposed to talk about this and it's brave that I am. I don't walk that line anymore. We should all talk about this all the time. Why not? I don't understand why we would contribute to the veiling of it, which is precisely what's used to keep us quiet, and make it more possible to victimize girls and young people in general. For me, I decided in some visceral way that I really don't care. I don't care to be ashamed. I'm not. I did the best I could. I was a good girl. I tried really hard. I was far from perfect. But I was a good person. I didn't deserve any of that. And that's not how I felt for a long time.




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A Conversation with Wendy Adamson

Over the years, I've noticed that writers who are writing their personal stories often have one primary fear.

Exposure.

The fear of exposing themselves and other people—and not knowing how it will be received.

In the feature author interview this month, Wendy Adamson speaks about facing these fears and how she moved through them. Now with her second memoir out, she is blazing trails for anyone who might take that bold step.

A prequel to her first book, Incorrigible is a coming-of-age memoir about a teenager who is reeling from the devastation of her mother's suicide, landing her in the arms of addiction and the criminal justice system.

Wendy says she knew deep down that she is here on earth to tell her story, and that it has the potential to help others and change lives.

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With over two decades of experience in the field of mental health and substance abuse treatment, Wendy Adamson possesses a deep understanding of the recovery process. She has held many positions throughout her career, but currently she works in Business Development at Polaris Teen Center, an inpatient facility that helps adolescents who are suffering with mental health issues while providing them a safe place to heal.

For the past seven years, Wendy has also headed up Business Development for her son’s nonprofit, Hav A Sole, an organization that has partnered with major NBA teams, and corporations like Nike to deliver over 30,000 high quality sneakers to at-risk youth, and more recently started a mentorship program for marginalized youth. In 2020 Rikki and Wendy’s inspiring story was featured on The Ellen DeGeneres Show.

Wendy is a published author of two memoirs, Mother Load and Incorrigible, where she documents her own struggles with addiction and mental health issues and the long arduous journey of healing and repair that came as a result of getting sober.

 

KARIN GUTMAN: Tell us about this new book of yours!

WENDY ADAMSON: My new book is called Incorrigible, which is actually a prequel to Mother Load, my first book. This one starts with me visiting my mother in a mental hospital as a small child, and recounts her suicide at seven years old and shows how unexpressed grief and loss unconsciously directs my life.

As a typical California kid of the 70s I take the reader through my teenage angst and self-destruction until I end up in the same hospital that my mother was in. Using alcohol and drugs to self-medicate I am eventually labeled INCORRIGIBLE by the courts and plucked from a lifestyle of privilege and introduced to the criminal justice system.

KARIN: I notice that your first book follows your journey as an adult, and then you follow it in the second book with the story of your childhood.

WENDY: I had to write my adult story first. I would attribute that to a health scare I had some years ago which made me feel an urgency to finish that book. So, after more than ten years I was finally able to get Mother Load published. It was only later, that I realized that I had glossed over much of my teenage years. And since I work in an adolescent mental health treatment center, I knew first hand that many teenagers were struggling, especially during Covid19 and they would be able to relate to a book like mine.

KARIN: What was the writing process like for this book? In what way was it similar or different from the first book?

WENDY: The writing process has become somewhat easier for me as I have developed a discipline. I go to bed early and wake up early so I can write. The structure developed as a result of having a day job. Over time, I learned that once I start working at the job, it can be hard getting back into the writing flow.

This book was also different because the Covid19 lockdown gave me more time. Like many people during 2020 I was anxious when Covid19 hit, not to mention everything else that was happening in our country. The chaos and uncertainty in some ways felt like my childhood, and I felt like I was on high alert. I don’t know if this makes any sense, but writing became a place to channel my energy in order to get the angst outside of me and onto paper. I strongly believe that writing is a therapeutic tool, but during the isolation of 2020, I found it to be absolutely necessary in getting through my day.

I also have more experience now and know that in order to keep developing the manuscript it helps to have a trusted editor giving you feedback along the way.

KARIN: What are you learning about your creative process?

WENDY: This may sound strange, but I’ve learned that writing about early life experience can be a portal to my ancestors. In writing Incorrigible, I was able to explore the relationship I had with my father. In some ways he always loomed in my consciousness as a monster, but the more I wrote, the more I began to see my own behavior as an unruly teenager. I was not an easy to kid to raise. Since I grew up in a family with a lot of secrets, I felt betrayed and wanted to make my father pay for his mistakes. In writing, as I dove deep into my childhood, I invoked unpleasant memories of how I treated my father. As a result of dissecting many of my actions, unsuspected empathy welled up in my heart for my father. And that was a gift I did not expect.

KARIN: That's incredible.

How easily do your memories come back to you as you write? Are you having to use your imagination a lot to fill in the details of the childhood scenes?


WENDY: Often I get flooded by memories when I write the scenes, but yes, I also use my imagination as well. In writing scenes of Camarillo State Mental Hospital or Sylmar Juvenile Hall I researched online and found articles and pictures of the institutions. This helped me immensely with the details of the environment I was in at the time. With dialogue, I don't remember every word that was said, but I try to capture the essence of the conversation as well as the dynamic between the two people who are talking. I also had the benefit of talking to my sister and brother to see what they remembered as I pieced the chapters together. Sometimes my timeline was off as I am going through dramatic events, and there were a lot of them in my childhood. But I think most writers of memoir use their imagination when it comes to early memories.

If only I knew I was going to be writing about all this one day, I would have taken better notes.

KARIN: Tell us about what you do to market your book, which is such a different mindset than writing.

WENDY: A marketing mindset feels like the other end of the spectrum from creative writing. It feels endless, and since I don’t have a publicist, I’m always questioning if I’m doing enough to get my book out there. There’s just so much to do. Come up with content for social media posts, composing a press release, trying to get on a podcast, a blog or organizing a virtual book launch. All of the details in marketing take me far away from my writing process, and if I’m not careful, I can go down the rabbit hole. Right now, I am considering hiring an intern to help me with details of social media, reaching out to podcasts and such. I just don’t have the time to do it all.

KARIN: Do you have a sense of how the first book is doing? I’m curious about what it's like to publish with a small press.

WENDY: Mother Load is selling slowly but mostly by word of mouth. I have a five-year contract with my publisher and at the end of that we can discuss renewing the contract or I can take it somewhere else.

I have a friend who published a book six years ago. She wasn’t happy with her first publisher, so after the contract was over she brought it to my publisher and was able to create a new book cover and add two chapters. It's going to be re-released again in the fall.

KARIN: Are you working on anything new? Do you have a sense of where your writing will go from here?

WENDY: Yes, I am deep into book three which is about my insane twenties. Seriously, if you’ve lived a life like mine, all that ‘drama’ makes for good content. Besides, it’s very satisfying to take the pain and struggle and turn it into something that might be able to help someone going through the same thing.

KARIN: How does it feel to have your life exposed so completely? I know this was a source of great fear in the early stages of your writing.

WENDY: The fear of being judged kept me small and not taking risks most of my life. I’m at a point now where I still get scared of exposing myself, but I do it anyway. Again, this kind of drive comes from a deep desire to use my story to inspire others to change the trajectory of their lives. After all, if I can do it, so can you.

I often wonder if I had read an author I could have related to when I was a kid, would it have made a difference? I know people that say that a certain book changed their lives, so why not?

KARIN: What would you say to someone who has a story to tell but is afraid of the exposure?

WENDY: I would tell the person I was afraid of the exposure as well because of a deep-seated shame that I carried into all aspects of my life. It was that shame that kept me from telling my story, the same shame that wanted me to stay small. It blocked my creativity, sabotaged my goals, and kept me from pursuing my dreams.

When you speak your truth and expose yourself you’re becoming the alchemist of your own life. It's challenging old thought patterns and constructs that have boxed you in. For me, the biggest payoff of all was that the shame didn’t own me anymore and I was finally free to pursue my dreams.

KARIN: What would you say to someone who has a story to tell but thinks they “aren’t a writer”?

WENDY: I would say I understand, and tell them I was a high-school drop-out with a rap-sheet and didn’t think I could get anything published. I told myself that no one would ever care about what I have to say. I had to challenge all of my old beliefs and take contrary action by doing multiple writing workshops with you, Karin. I had to have a safe place to write, because in the deepest part of me I knew I am here to tell my story. And in spite of the critic that tries to convince me with great authority that I am not a writer, I have been able to publish two books. That would have never happened if I would have listened to my head.



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A Conversation with Laurenne Sala

I'm thrilled to announce that my beautiful and supremely talented friend Laurenne Sala has released her very first children's picture book! Her journey to becoming the author of You Made Me A Mother happened quite unexpectedly when HarperCollins caught wind of a video for Boba Carriers that she wrote. In our conversation below, Laurenne shares a bit about the process and offers some helpful insights and resources for those of you who may have a picture book percolating in you!


LAURENNE SALA began her career as an advertising copywriter, writing national campaigns for clients like KIA Motors, Jack-in-the-Box, and Beats by Dre. She has written everything from the copy on a VitaminWater bottle to funny videos for BuzzFeed. After hiding lots of family drama during her teens and twenties, she finally told all her secrets on stage and in writing, which helped her feel such catharsis that she started her own storytelling show, Taboo Tales. She leads writing workshops and speaks at colleges around the country in order to help others create comedy pieces out of their authentic stories and give them the opportunity to release them on stage in front of a live audience.

Laurenne's first picture book You Made Me a Mother is a sweet celebration of motherhood and will hopefully make both kids and moms feel special. It's for kids between 4-8 and is illustrated by Robin Glasser, who also draws Fancy Nancy! She's fallen in love with the kid lit community, with You Made Me a Father to follow, and she hopes there'll be many more picture books to come. Find out more at laurennesalabooks.com.

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Karin: How is writing a picture book similar or different than other kinds of writing you do?

Laurenne: Many people think writing a picture book is simple. They're so short and seem like a breeze. BUT, since they are so short, every single word is so important. Every single sentence has to have a reason for being, and that can drive a writer crazy. There's no time for embellishment or setting of the scene since the illustrator can do that. So, the problem usually begins on the first page and then a subtle message follows. I am not a fan of subtlety. I love to end my personal essays with big old morals to make sure every reader is learning the lessons I learned. But kids are learning lessons all day. They want to read for fun or so that it lulls them to sleep. The trend in picture books now it to steer clear of didactic morals and let the reader come to her own conclusions.

Also, language is so important. Alliteration, sounds, rhythm. I just heard the other day that picture books use even more of a variety of vocabulary than news articles! I find myself using more poetry than I normally would in order to make it more fun for the reader to string the words together in her mouth. 

I would like to take a lot of picture book lessons with me to my other forms of writing. 

Did you collaborate at all with the illustrator? If so, can you describe the process?

When they partnered me with Robin Preiss Glasser, I was SO intimidated at first. I think she's spent 300 weeks on the New York Times best-sellers list. And whenever you whisper the words “Fancy Nancy,” people usually know exactly what you mean. So, I didn't feel like I could give Robin a call to assert my opinions on her illustrations. But I didn't have to! I LOVED what she did. Even when I saw the black-and-whites, I fell in love with the family she invented. They are adorable. I love the story she wrote for them in her own way. I love how she infused her own motherhood experience in these pages. Some writers never meet their illustrators, but I was lucky in that Robin might be the nicest and most open and loving person on the planet. She invited me over to her house. She held my hand through the whole ugly marketing process. She shared the struggles she had early on so that I could learn from them. She sat me down on her bed and went through her contact list for me. I mean, she's truly an incredible person. It's like I was paired with an illustrator and mentor all at once. So lucky! I couldn't be happier with how the illustrations turned out.

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The poem originally made moms cry when it was released as a video for Boba baby carriers, and I was nervous that without the visuals in the video, the book version would fall flat. But, Robin was able to so aptly illustrate the magic of motherhood and the way a child begins to let go of a mother's hand. I think together we are now making more moms cry than the video did! 

You're not a mother YET, so how did you manage to tap into that unique experience?

Oh, it's coming soon! And now that I've been reading this book at schools and hanging around kindergarteners, I'm dying for my own funny kid more and more each day. I'm getting married in September, so we'll see! BUT, I think one thing that helped me write from a mom's POV is empathy. Sure, I have written as some fictional characters from time to time, but it wasn't until I went to get my Masters in Psychology that I learned what empathy really was. It's actually imagining yourself in someone else's shoes rather than sympathy, which is just feeling sorry for someone. I noticed how great it felt to do that and to truly understand my clients. So, for two years during school at the University of Santa Monica, I practiced empathy. I practiced becoming someone else in order to understand them better. I even decided to write a memoir from my father's point of view, which helped bring me to a total understanding of who he was and why he left! I highly recommend that exercise! To put myself in a mother's shoes, I simply imagined what my mom must have felt when I was growing up and when I was leaving her to live across the country. 

Plus, this book is a culmination of my family's idea of motherhood. I asked my mom and my cousins and my friends what it was like to bring a baby home for the first time and what it was like during the hard parts. I am lucky to have some very honest friends and family who helped me visualize what it all feels like. One line that's in the video and not the book is from my mom. And I love it: Motherhood makes you want to fall at your mom's feet and tell her you get it. I am looking forward to that feeling.

What is one big thing you learned about writing a picture book that might be useful to others who have ideas for one?

One big thing about picture books is that they are truly fun and that most picture book writers love what they do. I wasn't used to that. I freelance often and in many offices, people hate their jobs! Picture book writers get to be silly, hang out with kids, and what they write can truly be meaningful to someone whose growing brain needs some good lessons or to just feel loved. If you want to write a picture book, I say do it! The community is welcoming, and kids always need to learn from different voices. A good place to start is SCBWI, the Society of Children's Book Writers and Illustrators. Plus, this ebook helps a lot.

Can you share a little bit about what you teach in your workshops? What is your approach to helping people create comedy pieces out of their personal stories?

I run writing workshops through Taboo Tales, a storytelling show with a certain kind of tone that is not AT ALL like picture books (In fact, I had somewhat of an existential crisis when trying to build a website that covers both topics). Our motto is: The more we all talk about how Fucked up we are, the more normal we all feel. As you know, Karin, and as Brené  Brown says, “The way to release shame is through story.” We first make a list of things we would never tell anyone ever. And those who dare choose the one that scares them the most. We then spend the day working with that topic. We share it in a completely non-judgmental atmosphere. And after the deep stuff comes up (often involving tears), we learn to laugh at it. There are ALWAYS truths about our experience that are inherently funny. Laughing about the absurdities is just as healing as speaking the story out loud. If the story took place during a certain time, it could be funny to think about your old beliefs during that time. Or things people said to you during your experience when they didn't understand it. Assumptions. Clothing styles. It's all pretty funny when you think about it.  

 

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